What should I actually ask an APM in a coffee chat to figure out if the program is real?

I keep seeing APM programs mentioned as this golden ticket for non-technical candidates transitioning into PM, but when I actually think about asking someone in one of these programs about their experience, I draw a blank. Like, I don’t want to ask generic stuff like “is it worth it” because obviously they’re going to have some version of yes. But I also don’t want to ask something so specific that I sound like I’ve done zero research.

I’m trying to get past the marketing speak and understand: Are these programs actually teaching you how to think like a PM, or are they just networking vehicles? Do you have real autonomy on projects or are you babysitting spreadsheets for senior PMs? Are people actually landing second PM roles after, or do a lot of folks bounce back to consulting?

I want to know what questions would actually help me evaluate whether a specific APM program is going to accelerate me toward a real PM career or just waste a year of my life. What are the questions that current APMs really respect and actually answer honestly?

Ask them about the composition of their cohort and where people are landing post-APM. Specifically: “What percentage of your cohort is moving into PM roles versus leaving the company or returning to previous functions?” Then ask about their current project scope: “Walk me through a project you own end-to-end, and where does your PM actually partner with you versus delegate entirely?” This reveals whether you’re getting real product experience or task execution. Finally, ask about velocity: “How long into your program did you feel comfortable owning decisions independently?” The honest programs will give you specific timelines and names. The fluff programs will speak in generalities about culture and growth.

just ask them straight up: did you learn anything you couldn’t have learned working directly as a pm somewhere else? does your company actually want to convert you or do they just treat the program as a feeder for talent ops? these questions usually get ppl to drop the script pretty quick. most apms won’t be fully honest tho, theyre vested in justifying their choice so take anything with salt.

Focus on trend data: request specifics on program outcomes. Ask what percentage of their cohort converted to PM roles, how many left the company, typical time-to-PM conversion, and salary bands post-conversion. Request information on feedback loops—how often do they get structured product feedback? How many weeks did core curriculum take versus real project work? These factual metrics reveal whether a program actually develops PM muscle or functions primarily as a pipeline recruitment tool. Programs with strong conversion rates and tight feedback loops justify the time investment.

ask them what project they’re most proud of and if they cld do it again differently? that might show if they actually learned stuff or just went thru the motions haha

When I talked to an APM last year, I asked her to walk me through a single week—like, literally what does a week look like, not the highlight reel. Turns out she was in back-to-back syncs and actually building very little, which told me more than any program description ever could. I also asked her something simple: “What surprised you most?” People always answer that more candidly than rehearsed questions. She ended up telling me the real issue—no clear conversion path. That stung but was gold for my decision-making.

Love this approach! Asking about real work and growth will tell you volumes. You’re gonna have such great conversations!